I was asked to work the merch table for the band, so I was getting 40 bucks and two T-shirts. 0:57. Lourdes Aguiar is the senior producer. The biggest question was, why had the fire spread so quickly? Northeastern law professor and GBH legal analyst Daniel . And it was ugly. Germany. Show Transcript. Jim Axelrod: And that's when the despair sinks in. You take one square inch of the foam, you hold it up with a roach clip and light it on fire with a wooden match. About a month after the fire Barr went home from the hospital. How tragedy inspired one member of Great White: After the fire, Mark Kendall, guitarist for Great White, drew close to some survivors, and relatives and friends of those who died and were injured. Fire officials say staircase to second floor was made out of wooden pallets. The ultimate nightclub experience.It even included a party robot!Pulsations was the brainc. But, you know, they have this following to this day . They said a critical piece of evidence was never presented to the grand jury. You should be proud." Jody King: He went on David Letterman twice to do Stupid Human Tricks. Michael Derderian: No. It's like a surge of bodies. Linda Saran still places much of it on the Derderian brothers. It looked like it was raining black fire. [tears up, shaking his head]. Biden draws focus from Harris' border visit with Pulse memorial event. Monday marked the 20th anniversary of the Station nightclub fire, one of the deadliest blazes to ever occur at a nightclub in the United States. Linda Saran: My hospital roommate, he and I took turns driving the respiratory therapist crazy in some ways it's almost like being in war together. The clubs bathrooms, where dozens of people were trapped as the nightmare unfolded, sustained severe damage and photos taken inside one of them show blood-streaked toilets and sinks. Medical teams met the challenge; everyone who got out survived that night: Whatever their memories, the medical professionals who helped the victims of the Station nightclub fire 10 years ago have one thing in common: they will never forget. Barr says when he came to, he felt excruciating pain near the base of his spine and burning on his face. So, it was very quickly they were in the circle of people we should look at. And then we've got the pressure from the judge saying you know, you're going to go to jail for 30 years apiece. For the Derderians, the "full story" begins with the issue of permission. Patrick Lynch: I don't think anybody in anything that they did wanted anybody to die that night or get injured. Worst fire disaster in Berlin since World War II; death toll reported between 80-88, but considered to be 81. Gina Russo says she emerged from the flames in a better place: But 10 years after the fire killed her fianc, after 54 operations and skin grafts to heal her burned body and treat recurring complications; after periods of sadness, anger and frustration over who was lost, who wasnt prosecuted, who never apologized, Russo says she is grateful. Pulsations: It was the greatest nightclub in the world and I am honored to be a part of that history. The former salesman for the company where the Derderians bought the deadly insulating foam says the fire destroyed his life: Barry Warner a foam salesman and neighbor of The Station nightclub suggested to the Derderians that they look into spray foam as an option to muffle the noise of the club. He don't know. It was like what? Berlin. he was very kind about it, but he said, "I don't ever see you competitively swimming again." Linda Saran: I said, "you know what? Afterward, her uncle Al Salman defended her, saying she had no idea what that crazy was doing., Shes innocent (and a) simple person, he insisted. Jim Axelrod: If you have a message that you want the people of Rhode Island to hear, there were plenty of ways to get it out long before now. If you do a little research on Leon you'll find that he was a non-union builder in Philadelphia, which is a union town. Search Bands Concerts Venues Locations Bucket Lists Users "We have 39 confirmed fatalities, and we are still in the process of searching the rubble. The more than 400 photos posted on the city of Orlandos website were taken by police eight days after the June 12 attack that left 49 revelers at the gay nightbclub dead and 68 injured. In the days after the fire, victims' families and survivors faced a harsh new reality. And then, ever so slowly, he learned to walk again. This is a list of notable nightclub fires at indoor and outdoor venues. Michael Derderian: Take this stuff down. As Great White started their first song, their tour manager Daniel Biechele set off four large fireworks called gerbs. JEFF DERDERIAN [crying]: Many people didn't make it out and that is a horror that will haunt my family and I for the rest of our lives. Tracy King died saving many others the night of the fire. But many, including the brothers, feel strongly Laroque should also have been charged. Orlando shooting of 2016, also called Pulse nightclub shooting, mass shooting that took place at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in the early morning hours of June 12, 2016, and left 49 people dead and more than 50 wounded. And who does drugs, violence, firearm possession . Many involve pyrotechnic failures. Anniversaries, he says, renew the ties and allow him to reflect and recount his version of events that fateful February 20th night. Members of the band start to become aware of the fire. Jeff Derderian: We feel a sense of guilt about what happened in the sense that you carry the guilt of knowing that these people aren't here anymore, and these people are hurt for the rest of their life. The 1980s rock Great White and its lead singer Jack Russell (playing as Jack Russell's Great White) for putting together the show as part of a tour of roadhouses seeking to rekindle past glory. It is the fourth-deadliest nightclub fire in American . At the time of The Station fire, older clubs in Rhode Island weren't required to install sprinklers. then as it heals, the scarring tightens up. Before being built out into a nightclub, the building that housed Pulsations was formerly home to a family-style steakhouse, as well as an upscale supper club. They are speaking out about the fire for the first time. A fire at a nightclub in Cameroon's capital, Yaound, in the early hours of Sunday left at least 16 people dead and eight others seriously injured, according to news agencies . Fire safety work goes on: Advocates gather at Station memorial to mark tax law easing cost of sprinklers. As a result, the pyrotechnics ignited the sound-proofing polyurethane lining the walls and ceiling of the club. Within minutes the building was engulfed in flame and toxic smoke as the highly flammable polyurethane foam glued to the nightclubs walls as soundproofing ignited. Jim Axelrod: To people who feel that the two of you have never said we own this what do you say? Linda Saran and Phil Barr, badly injured, were transported to a local hospital. Jim Axelrod: Who's responsible for that foam going up on the wall? How did you meet him? Scott James: He writes up this long, almost a manifesto about all the things that he thinks are wrong in that foam company that led to this tragedy. The sparks ignited foam soundproofing that lined the club's walls. The guy had to have remote starters on his car because they would blow up them up. When it was announced that the 1980s rock act Great White would be headlining an evening of retro rock music at The Station, fans turned out in force. It did not. Michael Derderian: Zero. I remember getting pushed from behind. He don't know. And I took a good look and I said, "Oh, st, I'm burned.". It was the closest to a religious experience that I've seen without it being religious. Jim Axelrod: Mr. Warner's fax wasn't presented to the grand jury, correct? 1 / 3. Jody King: He trusted the club. But Jeff Derderian, who was helping out at the bar, says he and an employee tried to get to the stage with a fire extinguisher. I had no control over my muscles. I would forgive them in a heartbeat. Dieser Artikel wurde entwickelt, um den Bedrfnissen unserer Kunden entsprechend zu werden und bietet eine Vielzahl von neuen Funktionen. 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Jeff Derderian: Why is it OK that the fire marshal is allowed to miss something or make a mistake and what he did was just an oops, but what we did was criminal? Jody King: I see the horror. Michael Derderian: And I'm saying to him "Did everybody get out Did anyone die?" Jeff Derderian: There's so many things that factor into the decision to do that. It fuels you. They're sustained by family and faith: Meet the Darby family. 1894 shipwreck found in Lake Huron, confirming "powerful, tragic story", Bipartisan Senate group unveils rail safety bill in response to Ohio derailment, What to know about Shigella bacteria as drug-resistant strain spreads, Top Dems push Fox News to stop promoting "propaganda" about 2020 election, The Station nightclub fire would become one of the deadliest fires in a club in U.S. history. Originated during a fire show by a male dancer on stage, described as holding sparklers. 1947. That was his gift. "There really weren't that many people around early in the night. wordlist = ['!', '$.027', '$.03', '$.054/mbf', '$.07', '$.07/cwt', '$.076', '$.09', '$.10-a-minute', '$.105', '$.12', '$.30', '$.30/mbf', '$.50', '$.65', '$.75', '$. Not exactly. In the 1980s, Mr. Altemose developed entertainment venues including Pulsations, a dinner theater and nightclub in Concord, and the Riverside Speakeasy, in Graterford. At the time of the fire, he had just started a new job closer to home in Providence at the local CBS station. 5. Michael Derderian: They got this fax and it went on to describe the business practices of the foam company. When others turned away from the Derderians, King remained. 60 Minutes did a huge story on him. All Rights Reserved. Michael Derderian also spoke via phone to an investigator. You see on your left the horseshoe-shaped bar. Michael Derderian: But that door became impassable almost within seconds because clearly there's foam that's burning at 800 or 1,500 degrees. Cold air washing over me. Final "undeveloped piece of the former Pulsations" property is 4.84 Gross acreage/4.17 net acreage. it was also on fire. That happened in 2002. Jody King: When he walked into a room, if there wasn't a smile he'd start balancing stuff to get you uplifted and smiling. Two years after the fire at The Station nightclub, the Derderians learned about a piece of evidence they say is important that was never presented to the grand jury: an eight-page fax sent to the Attorney General's Office anonymously just months after the fire entitled "The Fire. They were told to take it down. The fire was now out of control; it had spread along the foam that lined the walls and ceiling intended to dampen sound. I thought how terrible it was that my daughter was going to grow up without her mom. Foam the Derderians had installed along the club's walls and ceilings to conceal noise was highly flammable and "was equal to gallons of gasoline. Michael Derderian: He's completely out of it. Station fire, 15 years later: Survivors tell their stories: While many say they will never get over it, they have found a way to get along with it. But the night of the fire it was up to help cut down the noise. Purchase and sale had been signed. Biechele and Michael Derderian were sentenced to four years in prison, though each was let out early. The brother's plea deal stated only one of them would go to prison. Photos of Orlando police officer Michael Napolitanos helmet, which stopped a bullet during Mateens shootout with authorities, convey just how close the cop came to the death. He arrived early around 8:30 p.m. Phil Barr: There really weren't that many people around early in the night. Linda will forever wear the scars of that horrible night. Poor security decisions make a nightclub too intense to manage safely. Michael Derderian: He finds the deficiencies, you have to correct the deficiencies and then signs off so that you so you can get your liquor license that happened in 2000. Pulsations's concert list along with photos, videos, and setlists of their past concerts & performances. Warner lived next to The Station and had met the brothers. The Derderians learned about a piece of evidence they say is important that was never presented to the grand jury: an eight-page fax sent to the Attorney General's Office anonymously just months after the fire entitled "The Fire. Pulse nightclub owner and onePULSE foundation founder Barbara Poma says, on the sixth anniversary of the shooting that killed 49 people, this year feels different than the last. Jim Axelrod is the chief investigative correspondent and senior national correspondent for CBS News, reporting for "CBS This Morning," "CBS Evening News," "CBS Sunday Morning" and other CBS News broadcasts. For the rest of her life, she will bear the scars from that terrible night 20 years ago. Rhode Island Attorney General Patrick Lynch opened an investigation and convened a grand jury to determine if anyone should face criminal charges. Exterior shots of the nightclub also show several gaping holes where authorities used explosives to blast open a wall near the bathroom to save survivors who had been trapped for hours. What he calls a fellowship has endured. Jim Axelrod: The fire spread so quickly because rather than fire-retardant sound foam, on the wall of the club was highly flammable packing foam. And that's when it starts to hit you all that you've lost. She would not hurt a fly., 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. All Rights Reserved, The deadliest mass shootings in US history, Suspected Pulse nightclub memorial vandal arrested, Vandal in wheelchair sets fire to Pulse nightclub memorial, What timing! Jim Axelrod: If the brothers are relying on the fire marshal to tell them whether or not they can continue to do business. 25 seconds: The flames start spreading to the ceiling. February 20, 2023. My friends were dead, my other friends are severely injured, I no longer look like myself. The day after the fire, before a medical examiner confirmed that his brother was among the dead, King was on the phone with the Derderian brothers and wept with them. Please enter valid email address to continue. When Laroque testified before the grand jury he claimed he never saw the foam. if he had done that, then he would have obviously have said to us . So, I said to Deb, "stay here. It was a really remarkable thing. But not by Jody King. Pinterest. Twenty years after the nation's 4th worst nightclub fire, Rhode Island is still dealing with the collective trauma, legislative fallout and lasting impacts of The Station nightclub fire. Everything went black': For reporters, tragedy, disaster and sorrow come with the territory. Hundreds of people ran to the only exit many of them knew the way they came in. It was already in contract. Updated on: October 24, 2021 / 2:07 AM Station nightclub fire scene, viewed from above. Station owners silent as fire's 10th anniversary nears: The Derderian brothers, who purchased the West Warwick, R.I., nightclub in 2000 with hopes of making it a thriving business, still draw anger, and resentment from victims, and their families. It would become one of the deadliest fires in a club in U.S. history. Otherwise second-deadliest club fire in history. "It feels like somebody knew somebody who was in that fire or knew somebody who did, so the pain is very personal.". According to ABC News, though, several hundred people in the Chinese city of Luoyang decided to cut loose on Christmas night 2000 by heading to a nightclub housed on the fourth floor of a multi-use industrial building.A fire broke out in the basement of the structure . The evacuation of the building turned to chaos as patrons surged toward the exits. Jeffrey Derderian was sentenced to community service. The Station nightclub fire would become one of the deadliest fires in a club in U.S. history. Jeff Derderian: Because in my mind I had nothing to hide. Photos made public Tuesday revealed just a taste of the horror that unfolded during the Pulse nightclub massacre in Orlando, Fla., with stomach-turning images of a bullet-ridden bar, a shot-up . It was the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history up to that time. That history necessarily includes his role in starting up Pulsations, which Rolling Stone describes as "the monster dance club that brought Studio 54 vibes to West Philadelphia.". Get Pulsations, Glen Mills, PA, USA setlists - view them, share them, discuss them with other Pulsations, Glen Mills, PA, USA fans for free on setlist.fm! PATRICK LYNCH [news interview]: Certainly, there are people we are looking at, ultimately, we may target. Final . Jody King: Nine different families have come up to me and said "thank you for having a great brother. The Derderians say that in the three years they owned the club, no one ever questioned the safety of the foam. We all make mistakes. These days, though, Taffer has moved on to Bar Rescue, which will air 100th episode on March 6. The company paid a hefty settlement and they weren't the only ones. He says he managed to escape through the front door before a stampede of people got stuck in the narrow hallway and blocked the exit. So, before I knew it, this finger was contractured down in this position and the rest of them were all bent backwards because the skin had tightened up.". . But has prevention actually improved? It didn't have a lock on it. Phil Barr [teary-eyed]: Getting another opportunity to live my life came with enormous responsibility. And then, ever so slowly, he learned to walk again. While 94 of them have remained afloat, 84 have shut their doors. Jody King: "Anybody see Tracy?" Linda Saran: Second- and-third-degree burns, over 34 percent of my body from the heat. 19 seconds: The crowd begins to react as the flames progress upward. That was in like the 80s. Doreen Schechter and Gary Winter are the editors. I couldn't hear screaming anymore. Eighteen years later, there is no consensus among survivors when it comes to blame. That specific. Linda Saran: Yes. It has since been recorded as the worst mass . The father of Jessica and Sarah as well as Melindas husband, Matt, died in The Station fire. The Derderians say that in the three years they owned the club, no one ever questioned the safety of the foam and say the club was inspected by their insurance company, and multiple times by the local Fire Marshal Denis Laroque. I could have missed my daughter's high school graduation, the birth of her children. The fire caused the deaths of 146 garment . You were not approaching that area at all. She appeared on Tuesday in federal court in Oakland, Calif., where a federal prosecutor said she was aware that her husband was going to carry out the club rampage and did nothing to stop it. The two handguns used in the January 21 2023 Monterey Park shooting and a rifle seized from the home of the suspect, 72 y/o Huu Can Tran. The brothers decided that because Jeff had young kids, Michael would go. What kind of club was this? Also there that night was Bates College student Phil Barr, who was home for winter break. Linda Saran and her friend Deb were in the atrium, huddled together under a table. But there is more to be done. Patrick Lynch: I can't remember, honestly. In many communities, the crucial task of inspecting buildings in search of potentially life-threatening fire hazards falls to just one person. Tables can be seen strewn with half-consumed drinks and food that was abandoned when Omar Mateen suddenly opened fire. Jody King kneels at his brother Tracy's memorial. This week marks 20 years since the horrific Station nightclub fire in West Warwick, Rhode Island, which killed 100 people and left 230 injured. Now he has a message for others struggling to come to terms with their disfiguring scars and fears of rejection: Take me as I am or keep walking., Son of Great White guitarist cheers sick children to honor his dad: His father would be proud; Beat goes on through son of Great White guitarist killed in fire. Help. And that's when I noticed the black on my arms. But for Karren Lee Ziner, staff writer for the Providence Journal, who was the first on the scene that February night, TheStationfire was its own special nightmare and it still haunts her. Jody King: He ran in and came out nine times in 90 seconds. It got so popular that they had a clone built for Rocky IV. These are videos of prior performances taken inside the club. The blaze began when members of a band performing at the . Station nightclub fire survivor tells burn victims love can happen amid scars, fears: Joe Kinan has had more than 120 surgeries, not the least of which was a hand transplant. "Literally laid there and said, 'God please just take care of my family,' because I knew I was going to die,'" survivor Linda Saran recalls. Copyright 2023 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved. That history necessarily includes his role in starting up Pulsations, which . Jody King: As I went by the fire station fire trucks are coming out Now the question in my head is why are all these firetrucks leaving? This 4.84 AC Land is for sale on LoopNet.com. Converted warehouse used as an art collective and venue. In a 9-1-1 call made shortly after the shooting began, Mateen swore allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi . Linda Saran: The night of the fire I got in for free. Now in private practice, Lynch says he looked into a host of people. Jim Axelrod: When you come to, you're in a hospital room. There's an exit near the stage. Building was of mixed-use. One victim died from stabbing during clashes. It all started around 11 p.m. when the rock band Jack Russell's Great White took the stage and the group's tour manager, Daniel Biechele, set off four large fireworks called gerbs. Husband of woman murdered with an ax convicted 40 years after her death, How a tragic boating crash is connected to the family of Alex Murdaugh, Five deaths with a connection to Alex Murdaugh's family investigated, Never-before-seen photos and details about accused Idaho killer. Initial reports say that a pyrotechnic flare was released by a Russian soldier whom had just returned from Ukraine. The Station was owned by brothers Jeff and Michael Derderian. Phil Barr: It was getting harder and harder to breathe I could feel tightness and constriction in my chest. Patrick Lynch: Looking back on it I would say they ran it as a side business, an attempt to maybe make some extra money with the callous, utter disregard for those that work there and assemble there. After prison, Biechele rebuilding life in Fla.: How tragedy inspired one member of Great White. Nancy Kramer is the executive story editor. Michael Derderian: Correct. And 18 years after the fire, the brothers say they want to set the record straight and reveal new information. "Bar Rescue" host Jon Taffer watches a video feed of unimaginable horrors in a bar. The Foam.". Fused by pain, Station fire survivors, loved ones mark 18th anniversary: Theyre all here. Phil Barr: I couldn't hear alarms. The building was demolished in 1997. And they're quick to point out the club was inspected by their insurance company, and multiple times by the local Fire Marshal Denis Laroque. ", "We are now at 65, and that may be higher ", Jeff Derderian: "Can you come in? Negligent nightclub bar security can be the cause of the Death of a Nightclub. some bleeding I could notice in my throat. And then the main exit that hallway where everyone came through," explains Scott James. Melinda was eight months pregnant at the time. Linda Saran still places much of it on the Derderian brothers. Flames soon appeared on the walls on either side of the stage and spread quickly along the foam that lined the walls and ceiling, intended to dampen sound. Four parties found themselves at the center of the finger-pointing in the wake of the fire: Biechele and the Derderians, the only people ever charged in connection with the fire, each pleaded to 100 counts of manslaughter Biechele pleading guilty; the Derderians, no contest. PATRICK LYNCH [press conference]: We have an investigation on going and we need help, we need answers and I'm trying to get them. Photos showing the destruction inside of Pulse nightclub have been released. And settled for $1 million. I don't care what I'm going to see.". The Station fire changed how we view fire safety. Some bars close for failing to control violent crime on the premises. The club was sold. Jeff Derderian: this is flammable you can't have this. She knew he was going to conduct the attack, federal prosecutor Roger Handberg said. The morning after the fire, the lead singer of Great White, Jack Russell, claimed the brothers had given the band permission to set off the fireworks. At 15,000 square feet, Pulsations itself featured 10 levels, 11 bars, and 12 VIP hotel rooms. 35 seconds: The . Hundreds witness groundbreaking for Station fire memorial: Cradling fresh flowers in the frigid cold, several hundred people gathered at the site of The Station nightclub fire on the 10th-anniversary service that included a groundbreaking for a permanent memorial and remembrances for the 100 lives lost. Station Fire Memorial Foundation rejects donation from Great White singer: Out of the ashes of the Station fire, tougher building codes arose. You worked at the Pulsations Night Club near Philly which opened with a fatal accident in 1983. It ended when the suspect failed to attack a 2nd venue and committed suicide in his van. Jody King: Hopped out of bed, grabbed my clothes, grabbed my keys, hopped in the car and took off. 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