Sounds like he at the time did some things that outside of context would be perceived as unwise with co-workers. Bill Hybels has stepped down. There will always be outrage when the celebrity idols are touched in any way. The information given was half-truths and from the very first email sent out from the elderslacking wisdom and discernment. But it seems that the true believer would not say, Now I un-repent and un-accept Jesus Christs death and resurrection as the atonement for the sins that I will never be able to pay, but rather, How is my sin like these sins? What is a godly response to this still-unfolding situation? and Is this a church I can keep attending and supporting?. And ironically, asking that question is why. Or, for instance, a pastor may be forever fishing to see what his parishioners know as to the latest church scandal, etc., without the trusting individuals ever even know this is taking place. The invitation to the first Family Meeting stated in the first paragraph that this group wanted to damage the church and the senior pastor! The exact same mind control tools create social justice Warrior Churches as are used to create mega seeker churches or the monolithic SBC franchise. (Hoping they picked the right winning faction). So much for their Christian wittiness, huh? Hybels led many. Will the newly installed Willow Creek pastoral leadership/management just put a proverbial 501(c)3 band-aid on an open sore and continue business as usual; now that there has been identified a large hole in this churchs ethical, moral and scriptural superstructure? If there is a 40 year pattern of behaviors, it doesnt matter. Then I started questioning that after quite a few! Soon as your back was turned, the mask flipped off like a light switch and there was only the contempt of the Predator gloating over the stupidity of his Prey. We saw the dirty laundry, the rebellious child, etc. Even worse, you can be shamed/shuned, and called lukewarm for your honest questioning of what you experienced/think. Example, why did you agree in front of everyone to stay after everyone they all left,you idiot. My potty-mouth made me do it (Mark Driscoll) And its worse for Christian rocks stars, because nobody spiritualizes your regular rock band, and expects them to be perfect. And once thats done, the only way to survive is to seize the throne Myself. And what exactly do you think I can do about it at this point? William Hybels (born December 12, 1951) is an American church figure and author. Dee, my Sister Nancy Beach sent me this today. No one walks away unascathed. Joss Whedon Is a Hypocrite Preaching Feminist Ideals, according to his ex-wife Kai Cole in her guest post on *The Wrap*. So they fell in line with the One World system, befriended evil people and embraced Satans (the worlds) ways. In 2019, a six-month-long independent review found all allegations against Bill credible. They have changed so many lives for the good. So what does that say about what he thinks of me that he thinks he can help himself to my woman? I realize that what Jodi Walle is saying John Ortberg did is not on the level of what Bill Hybels did, but it still is extremely unbecoming of a pastor of a church to use the F word or comment on the looks of other women. Mary, you judge day in and day out. The new letter to John Ortberg is a farce and anyone who has been a victim advocate is aware of it. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? Blank stares all around. There is nothing wrong with this picture, this is the way it happens. So, does that mean the alleged improprieties, at least for them, are not #Metoo worthy offenses? I get it bothers you. Agreed. He is loving and gracious and is you biggest fan! As it says in the bible, Who are we to judge? I want to express my gratitude to Nancy for coming forward. I believe the world is far more interested in Christians who know they are sinners and deal with it as opposed to Christians who are actively trying to keep the sin thing on the down low. Founding and Senior Pastor Bill Hybels preaches during a service at Willow Creek Community Church on Jan. 13, 2018, in South Barrington . Ultimately only Willow Creek congregants can decide the fate of their church sad state of affairs with millions of dollars at stake. My bad. I went back to my hotel room and cried, not understanding what had just happened. The premise of con- templative spirituality is pantheistic (God is all) and panentheistic (God is in all). Willow Creek does not need a *incredible* leader. Since there's been no follow-up on their proposed Sunday morning mention of Hybels, it's safe to assume that multiple sources have told them that they made a grievous error to even suggest such a disgusting gesture. Go back to JBs April 16 comment. He told me he had taken Ambien. We notice them! why is she running alone with a man she supposedly feels uncomfortable around? @ dee: Brad I am the Bride of Christ, the Church, as are Dee and Deb and many others who post here. We can all learn from this and make sure to teach your kids. I was in the bath and my roommate answered the phone. but 4 YEARS went by, even after John Ortberg tried to have the Willow Elders handle this 4 years Nancy Ortberg still didnt speak out. I can't apologize for his choices, but I do apologize for mine," she explained. However, I am not going to let every Tom, Dick and Joe Salitas to copy and paste the letter into this comment section. Medical records are handled in this fashion. Satan loves false dichotomies, republicans vs. democrats, Calvinists vs. Arminians, traditional vs. contemporary, etc. "The question of how to pay for reforms long-term became an issue this week after the SBCs Executive Committee announced it had lost $6 million over the past fiscal year, mainly due to the cost of responding to the sex abuse crisis. Ok. How to Resign from a Church Amen! Ok. Please join me in praying for WCC, the victims, and the leaders. Or even an outlier, if need be. Does Bill Hybels teach pastors how to get more friendly with his staff, but keep it under raps? @ Lea: Why the need to put pastors in a special untouchable category? Hybels chief goal seems to have been to get his sexual needs met without negotiation. Listen to yourself, Brad! What I count is as follows: He told me to sit down and put my feet up. My team of outsourced profs, quality tech people saw it, too. Oh well. Hybels, the influential founder and pastor Willow Creek, resigned in April 2018 after 42 years leading the church. Our job is to call. You be the Mugu; I be the Master! Its a good time to focus on Jesus, not on any leader, which is misguided faith in the first place. Some will walk away all together from their faith journey. I doubt you get the same affect from creepy weirdo hugs. Home; NEWS; Actress; . Because it was not entirely clear what happened. It is sadly, surprisingly easy. Rather, I think it is their twisted view of both God and humanity. The Devil is destroying yet another church. contact blue moon brewing company; among us ascii copypasta; pistons vs pacers injury report; you'll find the shame is like the pain; fervent crossword clue 6 letters That is stunning. When we finally did start talking, everyone called us liars. Really? We'll talk about that in the week ahead. Whether or not one can repent after death seems to be the question when it comes to Christian universalism. predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. Look at it this way, if they had waited just 6-months longer Brother Hybels would have been given an honorable exit from the ministry as he faded into retirement without facing these allegations. not for this long. Who are we to say which it is when somebody lances a boil and the pus drains out; but to continue the analogy the boil existed before the surgeons knife got anywhere near it. At least you know what they are upfront . And few of us agree on every point! @ okrapod: I believe her account. Im particularly disgusted by They said they could look him in the eye and discern if he was telling the truth.. Yes, we left HBC ourselves. Fools a lot of people and so utterly against anything Christ said. Not one. He pulled me aside and asked me if anything had happened. Thanks for sharing the link. But we are not talking about the secular world. I now see how this happened for years, and I never saw it. Because it was not entirely clear what happened. Barb, I must say, you have this amazing gift of being able to cut through a persons (premeditated) bullpoo. I recognized something was wrong with that, but for various reasons, didnt quite make the connection. Is it even possible that one leads to the other, as the power dynamic created by abuse is addictive? .just a minor point of information. Nor will Christians abandon their faith en masse over this. When youre the victim of something creepy, such as abuse, suggestive sexual behavior or private narcissistic rage or whatever ugly thing from a pastor who holds himself up as a paragon of virtue, people often feel embarrassed at having been involved in it, even if they had nothing to do with the wrongful actions. Good point. I think there can be a benefit when many people have a genuine need for human touch. Further, if a few women get run over in this situtation it is fine, and in other cases if a bunch of litlle boys get rapped, thats OK since in long run the positives outway the negatives. If he was having problems with women when taking Ambien, why didnt he stop taking it and get help? (Dee), TELL YOUR DOCTOR if you have unlikely but serious side effects of Ambien including: Your boss? 4 YEARS went by that John Ortberg learned about this issue Yes, Nancy may have not been sure when she had her experience.. with Bill in the hotel room. Please stop reporting about Jodis letter. You get a time out. You watch a kid in a souped up car on the highway darting in and out at excessive speeds and say I hope he gets picked up.. Thanks, Futurist Guy. Davids own relationship with God was apparently restored, David continued to worship the God of Israel-to his death as far as I know. Standing Ovations: Whats the Difference Between Highpoint Church and Willow Creek Community Church, Some Thoughts on Supposedly Feminist Men Who Reportedly Abuse/Harass Women | futuristguy, http://www.divorceminister.com/nancy-ortberg-shares-her-side-rebill-hybels-allegations/, https://vondadyer.weebly.com/blog/vonda-dyers-statement-re-chicago-tribune-and-bill-hybels, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa0EtdtPi8w, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv72Q23lIp0, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkOke2noyc, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk, https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=28151%5D, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed. They did, however, write books, and traveled from local church to local church. Jodi Walle, who worked for John Ortberg, has written a note. Eloquence is a gift from God, but it is only the Holy Spirit working through the folly of proclaiming Christ crucified that ever won a single soul. Invited women to their hotel rooms I suspect there are nefarious folks who prefer hugging all genders to shaking hands, as hugging males, as well as females, gives them plausible cover when they go for the non-righteous hug with a female (saying, I hug everybody!) Plus, research shows that women (generally) are more influenced by touch, as they have higher releases of oxytocin when hugged than males and even have a more dramatic willingness than men under those circumstances to give someone their money. 1 Peter 4:8 Pew sitters paid for these seminars.. Willow Creek has run many many seminars teaching other churches how to impliment the Williow Creek model. . A less intimidating way to do that is a diary of sorts. I can assure you that everyone is reading the comments!!! I know this because I have experienced it myself. I assume you mean well. Hence, it is easier to build a close-knit cult of people who really dont know each other that well. ISBN13: 9780310533719 Release Date: June 1993 Publisher: Zondervan Length: 240 Pages Weight: 0.40 lbs. he has no idea who well you know Scripture. He may or may not have been directly abusing his own wife, but he surely was abusing the women in his church who he targeted. I have to think, absolutely have to think, that a courageous leader sure wouldve done things differently in the last month, whether Hybels is totally clean and all of these women leaders in the church and old friends of Bill are part of a vast conspiracy to destroy Bill Hybels, the righteous man, or if Hybels is dirty and all along was an abusive sociopath and terminal liar. I also took 3 years of Biblical Hebrew and 4.5 years of Koine Greek thats NT greek. And thats how you end up with an entire institution being transformed in a little over two decades. Got any other people of substance who would vouch for you? 4 unwanted extended hugs (thats including Nancy Ortbergs latest revelation). So, Ive also read it in the Original Languages. Most common reaction in the world. If it doesnt recur, people often try to dismiss it as an aberration. People want to see us deal with our sin openly and humbly. Lets put all our conjecture up about the retracted affair as well. Publishers are pulling back for a reason. This is RUSSIAN Bureaucratic tradition, centered on Plausible Deniability: No one wants to think their pastor is being inappropriate, so your brain just dismisses it. @ dee: Brad, not all of us read or study the scriptures with the same filter. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk. @ Deborah: That has got to be trans-species perversion right there. The Spirit works, sometimes over decades, with friends and acquaintances. So call the best pastor you can, but the best pastor is the most Christ-like, not the most TV-ready. How can this stand unchallenged? And worse, to make rock stars of them? I hope that you are correct that what was stated by Jodi Walle is not true. There will be a full court press to save Hybels legacy. The comments from some in the WCC Trebuchet Club has brought this home to me. And, are most people blowing this thing up bigger than it is. He told me to sit down and put my feet up. Its uncomfortable but is it anything really? He has denied. If you have to go along with the silliness (never with evil) make sure you are being paid. Her pastor said that her body belonged to her husband and he could do whatever he wanted to do. There were people in the main office just outside the tutoring office where I worked with students. The scripture I quoted was word for word out of the bible. Yes, the ambien thing really bugs me. I am quite curious what nonsense what posted now, because what?! Ambien was his excuse and it worked for quite awhile. 3 comments are deleted. Please dont judge Nancys actions she did what most women would do. Plausible deniability for Bill. We got in deep, and had a very tough time when we got out. Either way, doesnt matter. And it shall come to pass that, like as I have watched over them to pluck up and to break down and to overthrow and to destroy and to afflict, so will I watch over them to build and to plant, saith Jehovah. (Jeremiah 31:28), @ Davis and Natasha: Or is this site simply about wholesale condemnation. You know, Bill Hybels for two decades or more promoted himself as the one with a system that would revolutionize the church and make it relevant. I guess you are not aware of the president for whom Hybels was a spiritual advisor. I read it Daily and Journal too. Good Lord! I am terribly concerned that there is game playing going on here by people who cannot accept that Bill Hybels has resigned and he did so believe there are problems that people cannot accept. I read it that Jesus was doing the moderating. Two publishers suspend publication of books by megachurch pastor Hybels in wake of misconduct allegations Tyndale House Publishers InterVarsity Press (Chicago Tribune). This is MBA stuff. People will walk away from Jesus Christ because Billy Hybels is not who they thought he was? Our job is to sow seeds. This is exactly what I had in mind!? One of the grandkids hugs on the yorkiepoo all the time. Wife Bill Hybels married his wife in 1974 when Bill was a youth pastor. I think it compounds the problem when so many mega churches are unaffiliated with a denomination and/or have sprung up and had only ONE pastor (or lead pastor) for their entire church history. We still do not know what that really means. We must judge actions and , if they are wrong, we must pass judgement on them, even if it is one of our beloved leaders. Not that hugs are linked to drugs; I am just meandering. When this discovery of improper behavior was taken to the senior pastor he aparrently refused to listen. And Long Prayers will be said for justification. Jesus was a grand act to follow, and the disciples did it right. I hope you are right about this. The CIA is able to protect their emails as well. What would you have suggested she tell her husband? I love Diane Langberg. We have a problem with people who just do not care, apparently, that theyre engaging in classic rationalization techniques to minimize something that is quite serious. Certainly if Jodie is on staff currently, she needs her walking papers today! However, just noticed a mega the founding family kids were using as their cash cow, followed by sexual indiscretions. What do you think that Rabbi from Tarsus meant when he wrote For Satan himself can transform himself to appear as an Angel of Light? They appointed local leaders in the local churches. To me its a faux and phony culture that cant get over itself. Billy Graham, doing the work of an evangelist, told people the good news. 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